The following is an excerpt from Matt Mogk’s (“Moke’s”) book.The most impactful weapons instruction I ever received was in the French Foreign Legion, the mercenary wing of the French military. But it wasn’t what you might think.One of my trainers, Corporal Blaga, was a little Romanian with a chip on his shoulder. He hated the fact that he’d been assigned to a teaching unit. And he really hated anyone who was bigger than he, which was pretty much everybody. My first week enlisted he broke my nose swinging at the burly Russian recruit talking in the mess line in front of me.
The Russian ducked, I bled all over my breakfast, and Blaga scurried off like nothing happened.Steven Wieland was a stoic German kid who’d had it rough. Raised by a chronically alcoholic mother and abusive stepfather, Wieland scrounged for basics like food and clothes growing up. At eighteen he was tall, solid muscle and my first roommate in the Legion. He didn’t drink. He didn’t smoke. He didn’t lose his temper, or even say a bad word about anybody.
He was by all accounts a perfect kid who just wanted to keep his head down and go through life unnoticed. Unfortunately, Blaga had other plans.One night after a few too many beers and not much else going on around the unit, Blaga decided he needed to assert his authority by making an example of someone, and this time he picked Wieland. He circled us up in a large common room, and pulled Steven to the center.After lecturing incoherently about respect and what it took to be a Legionnaire, Blaga slapped Wieland about the head getting angrier as the German showed no reaction. Blaga then retrieved a large combat baton from a nearby closet and raised it in the air threateningly.
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He dared Wieland to attack. He ordered him to charge. But Steven wouldn’t move a muscle.Frustrated, Blaga started to hit Steven with the club, screaming louder and louder. He smacked him in the mouth with its butt end, striking Wieland across the skull and shoulders repeatedly.With no other options Steven finally charged prompting Blaga to deal him one last violent blow to the side of his knee. The German was meant to collapse to the floor in a lump of failure, but instead Wieland kept coming and delivered a punch to center of Blaga’s face that speckled the room with blood and knocked the Romanian out cold.I think Wieland was as shocked as the rest of us, and we all just stood there with our mouths open. After what seemed like forever, another trainer came by to see what the silence was all about and quickly carried Blaga to the infirmary.
He would later be transferred to different unit for what was said to be a preapproved move, but we all knew it was because Blaga had lost control of us and we would never take orders from him again.The next night a group of seven or eight trainers grabbed Wieland from our room and beat him up pretty good. He came back battered and bruised, but his first words to me in his thick German accent were, “Totally worth it.”So what was the Romanian trying to do?
He wanted to intimidate us to show that he was in charge, but instead he got himself reassigned to warehouse duty at the trash yard. Wouldn’t a pistol have worked better than a stick for intimidation? Having had both waved in my face at one time or another, I can tell you the answer is a resounding yes.The lesson I took away is that when given options it’s crucial to pick the right weapon for the job at hand within the range of your abilities.
No weapon is the best weapon for everyone, or every purpose. My top choice might be last on your list, and rightly so.But ego, testosterone and fantasy should have no place in the decision process if we’re talking about actual zombie survival.Read more of. My ideal weapon would probably be the Ruger SR 22. Tactical design for any necessary stuff like tac lights or fore-grips and the fact that it could be suppressed to near silence being a.22. You could also carry hundreds of rounds in your pocket and you don’t have to worry so much about stance in the heat of things as there’s almost no recoil. Expanding ammo (or probably even the high velocity stuff for that matter) would also reduce the need to check what’s behind your target. You’d also be able to hunt more common “dinners” such as rabbits (Not that they have much nutritional value) and birds without completely vaporizing them.I suppose it also has the advantage of being cheap to stockpile.
Everybody was overlooking the baseball bat, a nice aluminum bat would do wonders against zombies, they are light but still powerful enough to bash a zombies skull in. I can swing a bat all day and they are able to be put on target accurately and effectively.
That would be my melee weapon. Id also use an icepick for that blow straight to the brainstem through the eye socket.
For my sidearm probably taurus.357 its a badass gun, reliable and well built. Ive put a lot of thought into my primary weapon, i know an AR would be sweet but i would never want a gun that would promote taking on groups of them, in my opinion a high powered hunting rifle like a.30-06 would be perfect. You put yourself into an advantageous position and pick them off at range accurately and efficiently. Plus ammo is very easy to find for hunting rifles. But in the case the zombies do get close id take em out with my.357 and id probably keep a glock in my pocket. Theres no need for a shotgun or an ar in my opinion you just have to pick your engagements and play it safe. It is as simple as a mechanic at his tool box.
Use the right tool for the job at hand. Never carry just one weapon, or just one type of weapon. My primary is a AR-15, secondary is a.45. Followed by a.357 revolver and a.380 back up to that. Also a 12 gauge shotgun. I feel each person in a groop should be armed simalar to this.
Other weapons need to be carried as well, for instance I have a woodsman’s pal “machette”, and a good pair of 6 inch pocket knives. That just should scratch the surface. Groops should be just that, groops! Tools and weapons must be devided among all parties and carried/used according to ability. Try to find multipul use tools as much as possible, such as a crowbar.
In the end, you are only as safe as the people you have put your trust in and your own prepairdness. In determining your best weapon, there are a number of things to consider, so lets take the groups. First lets deal with firearms, best bet is 9mm carbine and matching pistol as that ammo is the most common and if you can use the same in both weapons you are better off.Next we have to consider melee weapons, given that it is widely accepted that noise is an attractant for seeks and since ammo is finite you should try and conserve it, that’s just common sense. Melee weapons deal in 3 ranges over 10 feet you can likely run away 6-10 feet we will call long range for melee. I recommend an ice chopper/ sidewalk scraper with a fiberglass handle.
I think the weapon of my choice would have to be determined by the situation i find myself in if an outbreak occurs in my lifetime. First you would have to consider what type of zombie you would be dealing with: is this a 28 Days later type zombie or a World War Z type zombie, slower but able to get small bursts of speed at close range. You would also have to consider the surrounding you find yourself in, it would be pointless you use a long reach weapon like a pole-arm in a narrow hallway of a building or wasting your strength and safety getting in close with your machete to lop of a zombies head. Also i think you would need to consider the carrying capacity of all of your gear as well as the ability to easily access it in a post apocalyptic world. For long distance i would prefer a crossbow, 1st: it might be possible to retrieve the bolts after you have disposed of your target, making ammo more easily available, 2nd its a silent weapon, where guns can easily reveal your location a quick shot or two could allow you to quietly take out any threats you come across. However the lack of rapid fire makes the crossbow a difficult weapon to use when your being attacked by multiple targets so a secondary ranged weapon would defiantly be needed.
When the fight gets closer id prefer the crowbar: now only does this pose as a perfect utility item it also makes a durable weapon in close combat where blades can become dull and useless and are less useful in other fields. Weapons aside i think the best weapon anyone can have is: Unlike the undead (hopefully) we know where to aim to kill our prey, how to use weapons, how to find food, how to work as an effective team, when to stop a fight and run or when not to even fight at all. You cant always have a gun or a sharp knife at your side, but you can always have that intelligence thats made us the dominate species on the planet. I think he makes a valid point, as far as being able to “make do” with what you have around you and improvise. The problem with scavenging is that after about a month in, all the stores will be bone dry. But the McGyver thing is really valid.
A lot af people post and talk about using explosives and all these different guns and tactics. If you aint got it NOW you aint gonna get it after all hell breaks loose.
Grenades and Clamores?!?! You’ll have to find a way to survive somewhere in the middle of most of the tactics people are posting.
FtLoC Be QUIET. No battle shouts, no rousing songs to lift spirits, no unsupressed gunfire or explosives.For Melee, which means you’ve already messed up somewhere iklwa – the Zulu thrusting spear. A shaft about 4 feet long and a wide flat blade, no barbs or hooks or any of that nonsense, “stick it and quit it”, you don’t want to drop one Zombie just to have your weapon get stuck. Make sure you have a good grip but be ready to just let go and run like hell.22 rifle. For clearing Zeke from a nice safe high spot (roof, water tower, etc.). Also good for hunting game.
If you can put a noise and flash supressor on a small machine gun it’s gotta be possible for a light rifle.22 Pistol x2, Silenced. Carry a spare and be ready for jams. Before standing and fighting always ask yourself “Do I have time to draw and shoot my backup if this shot jams?”.One big Honkin BFG of some kind, nothing discourages a raider like having his head vaporized by a good old fashioned 45 slug. Don’t be shy about using it either, remember a non-infected human is just a zombie waiting to happen. ?TONS of ammo, not literally tons, but you know, LOTS of ammo.
An infected city will have from hundreds to MILLIONS of Zeds wandering around, and you might be the only guy clearing them out.22 is commonly available and reasonably effective, if you’re down to making your own powder and slugs you can also get more rounds per bit of scrounged resources. Carry ammo in multiple locations on your person, none of that dying because you dropped your backpack [email protected] Shiny Thingy activated by remote. You could set up a stereo system and some strobes a mile from your camp and set them off if a swarm moves into your area, then slip out while zeke leaves to see what’s going on over there. You could also set it up to activate by tripwire around your camp. Zeke wanders up to the edge of your camp, hits the wire and hears/sees/senses something noisy and shiny somewhere else. Also consider flare guns, RC planes and cars, mortars, anything that makes it presence known ELSEWHERE is a good distracting tool.
If the Zombies you’re fighting can just sense “life” you’re screwed. Definetly need at least a rifle and sidearm I personally would use a silenced A4 or an mp a silenced 9mm will suffice too.
A machete, buck knife and small hatchet as well, but where you mentioned ‘clearing zombies out of city’ thats suicide, last thing you’d want to do is walk into a highly populated area, and never go any where alone or stray to far from your escape route/vehicle. Distractions will deffinetly work but RC planes and cars will tie you up as well even a couple seconds is enough for a horde to begin to overwhelm you. Carrying your rifle and pistol clips on your belt or shoulder harness will be the best choice and always remember how much you have, when your down to your last clip you should be on your way to a safe area if not already there.
Is devastating yes but with a high recoil and low capacity it would be something I’d leave in my vehicle or safe zone, carrying that and firing it into a horde would be the same as ringing a dinner bell. Actually he it would be safest to say use your brain and think up a strategy along with the most lethal weapons you can use. Fantasy and idiot intenctions won’t help as every plan you have made goes out the door with the first big disaster. The weather, people, your surroundings and the universe will seem to conspire against you at all times. Even the most trained military personnel will be hard pressed and wishing for luck. Team work with others will be essential as the criminal element will come out and may be former police, military and emergency personnel that survived simple becuase they had more resources and power over others before.they will try to assert that power to thier advantage as police did to rob people and illegally disarm concealed weapons permit holders at the time of Katrina while rapes and murders occured the police had a marry old time making themselves rich robbing the best tourist hotels and stores they stopped lootters from getting into(some police did thier jobs correctly).
Honestly i dont even like posting on these websites anymore because it seems like people are on the virge of mental retardation. Like it honestly confuses me to see people saying “Chainsaws would be sick” or “Compound bow” like cmon guys dont u realize how many people are in ur city. I dont care if u live in a small town they will come in great numbers. A chainsaw will have blood splatter and is unefficent it doesent cut through like u think it would. A compound bow is slow to shoot and once u have shot ur arrow u need to go get it. Im not saying a compound bow is a bad choice im saying it shudnt be ur first choice.Also maybe this is stating the obvious but a AR-15 or a SKS would be first choice for me. Please dont even ask why because its so obvious, if ur thinking why ill give u 1 clear example.
Fast to reload. If anyone wants to dicuss furthur u can email me or msn me or skype me whatever ur fancy is but i dont really feel like correcting each person who puts a post on this website because its frusterating trying to explain the same thing 100 times. Just use common sence.the main reason people are going to die when the zombie apocalypse hits is because people are too stupid to know what to do.If u wanna dicuss u can email or msn me at let me know.
Otherwise good luck to those who dont know what there doing maybe ur plan will prove success with luck. Most likely not. Guess i gotta buy some more 7.62×39 On a side comment for those smart enough to get a gun license or those who enjoy the use of guns i would suggest if u live in canada aquiring a SKS they are really cheap if bought from the right place and there will guarenteed be a store in ur city selling factory boxed 1000 ammo.Be aware that using this gun requires the knowledge to be able to clean the firearm as the bullet powder is corrosive. Now that I think of it, one weapon that should never fail you is a bear trap, if you camp out in the woods in some old barn you might want a 10 foot palliside wall along your perimeter, they are sturdy and not to hard to set up if you have a few people to help or on guard duty. And most barns have farm animals and almost all farmers have rifles, and shotguns. Since power is more then likely out, light up some torches inside the barn, and whenever you need food, send out a raid party of about 2 maybe 3 people to go out and take a few weeks worth of food. However, always check those selfish people for bites.
And if you have a trained dog, it would be excelent for a food raid considering they have kean smell. Why not just get a boat and stay off in the great lakes or the oscean? I live near minnesota so that would be my choice, a hunting rifle, few friends, on a medium sized boat, and fish for food, and boil the water to insurre the water is safe to drink. For me it would be impossible to get an ak47 or a-15 or whatever, but I do have a huntings permit and I know how to control shaking problems with slow heavy breaths. Most people like to think that staying at a store would be safe but its more like crucial to your life. If your stocked up on a hunting store, on the roof popin shots at the zack’s then your just encouraging raiders to come by and shoot you.
Stay safe, make multiple plans, always stay positive and keep your head up. If you make the right descions you ll make it alive. Just a key up for everyone that thinks a chainsaw is a good idea. I can think of almost nothing that would worse than a chainsaw, and keep in mind I’ve used many of them.
1) they are heavy 2) they are VERY loud 3) they almost never start when you need them to 4) they use a special gas/oil blend 5) they need pressure to work, if you hit the zombie in the head, it will simply deflect unless the zombie is on the ground or pushing against the saw. 6) Most people do not know haw to sharpen one 7) you will be covered with the gore you creat 8) kick back, and it WILL kick back if your trying to cut bone. 9) way too short as most of us are not badass enough to wield one of the big ones.So lets just say going into combat with a loud, heavy, weapon with no range, it’s unreliable, and your just as likely to destroy your own legs as you are to kill a zombie. Hmm if we are talking about weapons I have 4 that I intend on using. The first two would be multi-purpose, a crowbar and a hatchet, they are both relatively light and can repel zombies (of course not intended to kill large groups) and when it comes to scavenging they would be useful. The other two would be my machete and a.22 revolver, once again both light weapons but also powerful enough to down a zombie. Most would be skeptical of a revolver as it has a slow reload, but in the end it is much more reliable, while I may have to reload every 9 shots and take a few minutes for that the fact that I have no chance of jamming is assuring.
Many people suggest assualt rifles or automatic weapons, however they all have a good chance of jamming and misfiring. Taken into account that most people who suggest that do not know how to properly use or care for such a gun leads to rather grim situations. But this is all my opinion feel free to comment on it or suggest better alternatives. All of the following is due to respect as u seem to know what ur doing. (something rare on most of these websites).Hatchet and machete? Good thoughts, next time I have some excess cash I’ll have to step up my pistol or pick up a speed loader, and thinking about it a hatchet would be unneccesary.
While your insight on assualt rifles convinced me at first I still don’t think I’m going to get one, first I’m not that big of a guy so the extra weight might mean the difference between life and death, and as you said ammo would be harder to come by; I’d like to avoid scavenging in the more populated areas where a gun store might sell the ammo. Not to mention something that fast and powerful would be useless where I intend on waiting out the first couple months (I live out in the countryside so there is low population and the few that do come can be easily dropped by my hunting rifles) But all your insight is very helpful so thanks!
I’m glad my comment got picked up by someone helpful. Yea im from canada so i dont have the choice to buy a assault rifle because there illegal here enless u have a collectors license which is extremely hard to get. As for the hard to get ammo and it being heavy, enless u go above a standard ar-15 or a ak47 and u dont put a ton of attachments on it you shud be fine. Its really not as heavy as people make them out to be. I was at a gun show a couple days ago and got to hold a ak-47 and a ar-15 and a m16 (ar-15 and m16 are the same thing one is just a civilian version of the military version) and they really werent that heavy, the m16 is mainly made out of plastics and fiberglass and light weight material so that you can carry days on end. As for the shortage of ammo only the ak-47 would be hard to get ammo for as the bullets that are most commonly used in it is a.308 which most gun stores dont carry alot of. A m16 takes a standard.223 usually which is used for most hunting rifles and whatnot.
My advice if ur gunna get a assault rifle just in case u need it (id recommend u getting one for ur own protection) then get a ar-15 there light and easy to find ammo for in comparison to the ak-47. Anyways good idea staying out in the country side. To bad you dont live close enough to me because my plan is similar but i need more people to execute it properly. (arm every person on that farm or whatever ur living in) gaurenteed ur gunna get people that will come out there and try to raid u for food and gas. Good luck ?. The trick with assault rifles is to take your time.
Don’t spray and prey because you won’t hit anything. Taking and extra half-second between shots will save your life and ammo. I agree completely about the AR15, they are lightweight and easy to work on, if you even have to. The ammo is readily available and frankly, people will be scarred of you. I highly support the revolver as well, they are easy to maintain and as was said, (and I hadn’t thought about it) there are no springs to ware out. The Ak47 is also a great assault riffle and like andrew said above, ammo is hard to just find. However, I have a Mossin Nagant and we just order bulk ammo from Russian surplus.
So if you use extra funds beforehand, you can order yourself a thousand or so rounds for extremely cheap. Just a thought, I can’t recall if it’s been brought up, a dog. Not so much as a weapon, but for “heads up”. They respond to their suroundings and situations, and take hints from your mood and attitude. Always aware of their enviroment, and really hard to sneak up on.
Of cousre I’m not talking about a little yappy bastard, but a “real” dog. I’ve got a dog who does not bark unless I tell her to, she lets out a low rumble when things don’t seem right. I think a good dog would be a VERY important tool in Z-Day. Just a thought. When i read some of these it really hurts my head. 1 bullet = 1 zombie and do you realize how many bullets there are out there?
Guarenteed you neighborhood gun shop has 200 000+ bullets and enless you live in a major city (Which would have more stores) than you could easily take out enough. In my city we have about 1.2 million people and about a couple million bullets if i had to guess.
(maybe more) using “Clay more” or “tomohawks” would be possibly the work choices for weapons. Yes maybe once your fully set up in your house you could get Mines but a tomahawk is a terrible choice it doesent have any weight behind it cant break skull and therefore is useless. As for a crossbow thats one of the only good choices i hear people talking about. For those who doubt a crossbow you need to watch more zombie movies and look at the amount of pressure it takes to break skull. A decent crossbow (or compound bow) can break skull easily. Realisticly enless you go get your gun license and store some ammo in your basement you screwed because the minute that warning goes out on the TV everyone is gunna make a break for the gun stores and the bass pro shops, etc. Dont want to have a gun or too young?
Get a crossbow or compound bow go to a range 2 times a month to keep in practice get a back weighted machette and make sure ur good at running and reloading that crossbow. I disagree, a standard load out for the military is around 300 rounds for your typical ground pounder, give or take a few, and imagine the damage a 5.56x45mm will do to a body that is already falling apart (They didn’t call it the meat cleaver during Vietnam for nothing). With a bit of practice you would be able to drop zombies from 200 meters with one or two shots, and you will never get tired of it because the round is relatively light. The problem here is being ready before hand. Good luck ordering a few thousand rounds after Z-day hits.
Though I’m not suffering delusions, if the zombies stick around long enough, the ammo will run out, but blades become dull, so in a way they are worse then a gun. The most reliable weapon in my opinion is the sledge hammer. Hammer gives you the reach when you need it and always delivers a deadly blow. Beside that, it feels light when you hold it just below the head so you wont get tiered of carrying it like you would a sword. You do realize a sledge hammer take ALOT of force to swing around and the changes of u getting a good clear shot at a swing when a zombie is running at you will make you useless.
Also you just said a 10 pound sledgehammer. A sword is way less than 10 pounds and takes less effort to carry around and its alot easier to use to cut off arms heads or legs etc you shud probably go buy that hammer ur talking about and go try and swing it around for a hour and tell me your not in pain. Enless your in excellent shape id give you 20 minutes of madly swinging then youll be so tired you wont be able to move. Unless you just feel like drawing attention to yourself, shooting a single zombie that is so far away, and is not coming for you is kind of pointless. The only way we would survive the threat would be to have an army for an all out war, or sneak around and hide confronting our rotting foes on a need to do basis. I am not saying guns are a bad idea, just that shooting the thing should be a last resort. Unless there is a large group of you all packing the same heat.
Think of the mall on “Dawn of the Dead” I don’t care how good you are, those numbers would would take weeks to thin out, and more would be drawn in for each shot you tak. I understand that it is situational.
I’m not suggesting taking on a crowd of zombies with anything, I don’t care what it is. What I am saying is that a civilian m16 is easily attainable, and plenty effective with an over abundance of ammo. As for Andrews sword idea, that cutting power goes down the drain after a few limbs have been removed, then what do you do? Sharpen it while running? Even if you have time between kills it would become so time consuming you wont like it very long. Also, I have used a sledge hammer for entire work days a few times in my life (cutting trees into firewood) and yes you will get winded if you aren’t used to it.
But, the killing power of a sledgehammer is everywhere, even if you don’t hit with the head of the hammer, anywhere along the handle would at least take the zombie off it’s feet and you can dispose of it easily at that point. You wouldn’t be madly swinging a hammer and you wouldn’t suffer under the illusion you can like you do with a sword. Not sure where you get your numbers but a ‘standard’ load as you call it is not 300 rounds. In Iraq we were required to carry 7 magazines. (6 on my chest, 1 in the rifle.) At most thats 210 rounds.
To prevent over compression of the springs in our magazines we generally only had 27-28 rounds per magazine So thats 196 rounds, or at most 224 if you were a motivator who carried an 8th magazine on the butt of your rifle.US Military gear is sold to the lowest bidder, the magazines suck after 7 months straight with 30 rounds mashing the springs down to the point that your last 4-5 rounds sometimes won’t load into the rifle properly because the spring has lost so much of its tension being compressed that long. Ahh but there’s where u assume too much. Most people go with either magpul or tapco mags in the civ world. I had several sets loaded for 6 years before i left for the Marines and now that i got out of the Marines and came back to my ar15 i fired them off for some extra practice and had zero problems. I still have them fully loaded now and they always get fully loaded when i go out shooting every week.
Spring fatigue isn’t a problem in the more expensive mags. But that’s why they cost 15-30$ a mag versus GI 0.75$ a piece.Semper Fidelis,Cpl Boswell out. Weapons are tools, and you need a different one for each given situation. There is no one magic perfect weapon. I have a rip hammer for close quiet dispatching of individual zacks in tight quarters, and as my universal door key, a kukuri knife for dismembering, an axe for slightly larger groups, and doors. Shotgun and ak-47 for when things are getting dicey And i’d take an apc into town for groceries (though i’ve been toying with the idea of monster truck style vehicles. Less armor, more height and squish.).
A monster truck would be perfect!! Only one problem.how do you get the fuel. I think of zombie scenarios all the time, and I can see someone standing outside their car, fillin it up, then zombies attack! While your car/truck/tank/whatever is filling, you’re fighting for your gas (and life, but mostly gas lolz) then it clicks, you take a few parting swings/shots/throws and you jump in, and run ’em down ?cool story bro. LolzBut In my opinion, a monster truck is perfectjust gotta find one ?. I own a barnett crsobosw and I’ve seen practice tips go through a one inch solid wood board so i do believe that it would kill a zombie, but my big issue is that for the whole first season Daryl never puts the rear end of the bolt on the bolt channel (meaning if fired the arrow would not take flight and the limbs of the crsobosw would likely crack or shatter completely.) I love this show and love that the crsobosw is used in it, but it really bugged me when I saw the rear of the bolt on the scope mount and not the bolt channel (or track) while shooting. The problem with melee weapons is eventually you will get tired from exerting the force to thrust your pike through a zombie and pull it out.
Obviously, you are only killing zombies at close range so I don’t feel like accuracy is gonna be a question with a handgun. Even if I need 2 bullets to kill each zombie I could kill 8 without reloading, and I could do it with very little effort and much faster than anyone could jab a pike through 8 zombie skulls. I also think a firearm gives you a better chance of survival with several zombies are coming at you at once. I don’t think the real reason guns are low on the “list” is ammo. I think it has more to do with ringing the dinner bell each time you pop a cap in a zombie.
I would certainly pack some heat in a zombie infestation, but using the guns would be a last choice. I would also assume that Blaga was not trying to kill the guy, not truley kill him as any of us would be doing when faced with an attacking zombie. I am 100% sure that if I hit someone, living or zombie, in the head with a baseball bat with the intent to kill them, they would never get back up. I am also fully aware that if I was faced with 20 dead guys clammering for my flesh, a bat would only allow me to take a couple of the out while the rest crowded in for the buffet. I think the best weapon would greatly depend on the situation at hand. I can say without a doubt I will not be waving a chainsaw out the window of a smart car!!!